Saturday, April 17, 2010

Historical Accident


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Ninoy at Cory

Cory Aquino has always been an icon of democracy in the Philippines. People treat her as if she is the messiah. They say democracy wouldn’t have existed in this country without her, they say that she is everyone’s “mother”, some people even dare say that she should have been anointed for her saintly virtues, they treat her as if she was the sole person responsible for the great phenomenon that is People Power.

If someone has asked me what I think of her two years ago I would have answered that she was a great person, someone almost perfect, but now that I am more aware of things about my country, I can’t possibly say that she was perfect. I am not saying that she is that bad; in fact she did a fare job even though she was just an ordinary housewife before her being elected as the 11th president of The Republic of the Philippines, but that wasn’t enough, she was good, not great.

She was elected not for her abilities; I think the reason she was elected was because the enraged community needed a symbol to show their defiance against Ferdinand Marcos, and what better symbol than the wife of Marcos' greatest critic?

People pushed her for the position not because she will be a good president, she was pushed because she is Ninoy's wife.

I think she was just at the wrong place at the wrong time. Even Sen. Juan Ponce Enrile seemed to think so, he once stated, and I quote:
"Cory Aquino is just a historical accident."

That's why I really don't understand why another mistake is taking place at this very moment, his name is Benigno "Noynoy" Aquino III.


laban, laban o bawi, bawi!

And it seems like he will win. I hope not.

I don't understand why, for the second time, the people of our country is pushing someone not that competent to the position of presidency.

I recenty asked a huge fan/supporter of Noynoy to give me a valid reason for me to give my vote to his candidate. He said that Noynoy was the only candidate clean and competent enough to lead the Philippines. I asked him why he thought that his candidate was competent. He answered that his candidate co-authored nine bills. Did the bills pass? Nope. I asked him how could he say that his candidate was competent when Noynoy failed to pass any bill. He answered that passing a bill is not the only measure of competence.

If passed bills are not the basis of competence then what is? What should the legislators in our country do if not to make laws that would benefit the people and the country?

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  1. Dear Disqus,

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  2. If passing bills is not a basis of competence for Noynoy supporters, they should give other reasonable bases. But if you classify parentage as a basis of competence, then Noynoy has no basis for competence at all.

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  4. Oo nga naman. Anu basehan, dahil siya ang bunga ng puno? Eh panu kung maasim ang bunga? O kaya bulok? E di sasakit lang tiyan natin at ikamamatay ito? Naku. Rabid NoyNoy fans, wake up!

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  6. Aquino's promise lies in his incorruptible image. Our trust in politics has been so eroded that people just want a new leader who will do the very basic — who will not be corrupt, who will be good. But this is also tethered to a far deeper affection. The people remember his parents. For them it's like going back to Camelot.

    Competence means a lot. But I would first and foremost consider the basic criteria, of not filling up the pockets out of Juan Dela Cruz's money.

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  7. Ninoy's campaign is based on the sympathy of the people. He tends to talk about what his father and mother already did for the country. He even talks about how they died. But we cannot ignore the fact that his whole humanity and pride is at stake here in the elections and if he wins just as my dad says "HIYA NIYA NALANG SA MGA MAGULANG NIYA KUNG MAGNANAKAW PA SIYA".

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  8. er, di ba iba ang pagiging legiuslator sa pagiging presidente? kasi iba ang pag-gawa ng batas sa pagimplement sa batas?

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  9. tama, they are pushing someone not that competent to be the president of the country. :D

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  10. Incorruptible? How can that word apply to someone who called an armed dispersal of a farmworkers' strike "incorruptible"?

    I remember many of the middle-class were ranting back in '98 that the problem with Phil. elections is that most people tend to vote using emotional, and not logical, bases. That was in reference to Erap. Now that same phenomenon is going to put Noynoy in the Palace by the Pasig river.

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  11. He already shamed his parents' legacy with the Hacienda Luisita massacre. Magandang ikumpara yung ginawa niya at yung ginawa ni Cory in reaction dun. Si Cory, dineplore niya yung nangyari. Siyempre hindi naman niya sinabi na mali yung mga kamaganak niya, pero mabuti na yun kumpara sa ginawa ni Noynoy: sinabi niya na "justified" ang use of force at inakusahan pang "communist-inspired" ang strike.

    Which brings me to the FOREMOST reason (para sa akin) bakit hindi dapat manalo si Noynoy. May Palparan-esque tendency siya at ang mga "henchmen" niya to brand his opponents and critics as "communists" o "communist-backed". Disgusting. Napaka pang Cold War ang pagiisip.

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  12. Legislative o executive, ang tamad ay tamad.

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  13. Show a concrete evidence that Noynoy or other Aquino's for that matter called an armed dispersal against farmworkers of HL, then I'll tell you how ignorant you are. Gibo is also a Cojuangco and yet issues regarding inhumane dispersal were only being associated with Noynoy. Does anyone fired up a question related to the issue that would caught Gibo off guard? Where in fact, Gibo's family has the largest share in HL? This only proves that the only thing you can mudsling against noynoy is the fact that he is a Cojuangco.

    And by the way, get some dictionary and look up for the words incorruptible and competence. How in the world you linked the word incorruptible to a baseless issue?

    People are not emotional, they see NA as the most trusted even though not the most qualified person to lead a reform in the government. You cannot blame them. NA's best endorsers are his parents. You wouldnt dare call them corrupt aren't you? Don't tell these ppl that they have calluses in their eyes just because they have seen Cory died last year. I have an attorney,a political analyst, and an economist who are intelligent people behind the back of noynoy. Don't even tell me that they lack logic. The magic word here is trust, something that millions of people are longing for. What is your criteria? I want to hear it from you.

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  14. Unang rule, kung gusto mo ng isang intelehenteng argumento, huwag na huwag mong ipipilit ang mga proposisyong walang factual basis. therefore, huwag kang magrely sa kung ano ang dinidikta ng isip mo. Kailangang diktahan ng mga TAMA, KONKRETO AT TOTOONG bagay ang ISIP para maka arrive sa isang SUBSTANTIAL at kapanipaniwalang proposisyon.

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  15. ganyan din ang rason ng mama ko kung bakit niya iboboto si noynoy. Anak siya ni cory. yun lang. Blind faith. Saktong sakto ang mga puntos sa article na ito.

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  16. Arman.

    You may watch the documentary film "Sa Ngalan ng Tubo" on YouTube to see if NoyNoy should have done something regarding the HLI incident.

    But if you don't have the luxury of time, let me explain to you things from someone who will not vote for NoyNoy and Villar.

    1. The issue here is not who owns much of Hacienda Luisita. The issue here is the fact that he is a Cojuangco and a son of Ninoy and Cory, he should have known better on how to react to the issue. If he is indeed for the 'mahirap' and wants 'tunay na pagbabago', NoyNoy should have at least issued a strongly worded statement against the owners of HLI that they are held accountable for murdering the peasants.

    2. NoyNoy's image is not incorruptible from the very start. He is JUST a son of Ninoy and Cory. There are a lot of good parents whose sons are not 'that good.' I believe that it is illogical to immediately tell that NoyNoy would be like his parents. Even his parents, are not incorruptible too. Or anyone else here on earth.

    3. People are not well educated on who NoyNoy really is. Do people even know his platforms? May ilang tao na akong supporters ni NoyNoy na napagtanungan pero puro 'hindi kasi siya magnanakaw' ang narinig ko. Ambabaw. I believe you are a highly intellectual person Mr. Arman. Siguro mailalahad mo sa amin ang konkretong plataporma ni NoyNoy since you will vote for him. :)

    And I definitely agree with Anton, nadadala lang ng emosyon ng pagpanaw ni Cory ang kandidatura ni NoyNoy. Kailan ba siya naging malakas na contender? 'Di ba after Kris said that they are the 'heirs' to their parents' fight? 'Di ba a few days after Cory's death? I think that is very factual. :)

    And for the record, I'm not voting for either NoyNoy or Villar so you may now. :)

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  17. Korek ka diyan. :) Kung doon wala ka nang ginawa, eh anu pa maasahan namin sa iyo pag presidente ka na.

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  18. I think at this point in time, the current administration's blatant disregard for the law gave the people a new criteria in looking for the next president that outweighs all the conventional ones (e.g. experience, education, competency). We need to have someone trustworthy to run the country.

    We've had intelligent presidents before, highly educated ones with vast amount of experience in various branches of the government but look where it got us.

    I will not debate about Noynoy's competency because I do think other candidates can do a better job. However, I do believe that he is the most trustworthy of all because he has a legacy to live with and uphold. And that is enough, at least for me.

    For a less serious talk on politics and the presidential candidates... :)) http://orchestroscopy.blogspot.com/2010/04/election-2010-presidential-candidates.html

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  19. Arman.

    You should scan the newspapers these past few days, people around NoyNoy have already tagged activists as 'communists' and 'terrorists'. Mind you, spokesperson pa niya nagsabi nun which means he reflects the views of his boss. Magresearch po tayo sir. :) Sabi mo nga, di naman kayo nagpapadala sa emosyon di ba? :)

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  20. Projectdennio.

    I would certainly disagree to most of what you said. I have seen the video many times, and it has been a debatable issue inside a classroom. Noynoy should do nothing, because at the first place what are you expecting from him to do? start an investigation? or should I say, you are expecting him to condemn the incident? (which he did) You can't blame him or the aquino's because its beyond their control. I dont see a concrete rationale why you people are linking Noynoy's name to the incident as if he should held responsible for the killings. At infairness nman ngayon lang? kung kelan halalan? And tha's why Im concluding that maybe ang punto nyo e, kung talagang makamahirap si Noynoy, tutal isa nman syang senador e sana lang mang gumawa sya ng paraan pra makamit ang hustisya para sa mga magsasaka. - MALING MALI PA RIN YAN! DAHIL MERON TAYONG SARILING HUDIKATURA PARA DYAN. ANU BA ang gusto nyong gawin ni NOYNOY tungkol sa HL incident? sige..hihintayin ko reply mo jan...

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  21. 2 I have said that he is incorruptible because for almost a decade in his position I have never heard of any allegations against him. But I cannot deny that his parents play a crucial role in justifying his cleanliness. Im giving him my trust that's why Im concluding that maybe he is sincere in his advocacy.

    3. Weighing between platforms and trust, given the current political situation in the country? I should go to TRUST. Hindi mo siguro naiintidihan na kaya, nila sinusuportahan si Noynoy dahil nagtitiwala sila na di siya magnanakaw. Panu mo nasabing mababaw ang 'ANG HINDI PAGNANAKAW" ano ba ang kabaliktaran nito? o siguro nababawan ka sa mismong mga kinausap mo? well, isa lang ang payo ko sayo. Pag-aralan mong mabuti ang mga benepisyo ng demokrasaya.

    4. Nakakatawang isipin na hanggang ngayon, matapos makaraan ang ilang buwan e nadadala pa rin ang mga tao sa pagkamatay ni Cory? araw-araw ba syang namamatay? sus maryosep iho. Kelan sya naging malakas n contender? Hmm..siguro ngayon..ngayong napagtatanto ng mga tao n kailangan ng isang lider n TAPAT AT MAY INTEGRIDAD. at sa di inaasahang pagkakataon, nakikita nila ito kay noynoy. Pasensya ka na, pero sa tingin ko di mo pedeng sabihing mababaw, at nadadala lang sa emosyon ang mga taong ito. Para mo na ring sinabing di nila kayang magisip.

    No one is aking for your vote. You may exercise it, but as Joseph Stalin said, "Most of the time, a person vote not because he wanted to vote for that someone, but because he did not like the other one"

    Hmm..something to ponder my friend. Peace be with you and may you realize that your freedom to speak and be heard was worth dying for. ^_^

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  22. Yung five-part investigative series ng GMAnews.TV. Hinalukay nila ang mga sinabi ni Noynoy right after nung Hacienda Luisita massacre. Dahil si Noynoy, at hindi si Gibo, ang humarap ng spokeperson ng Hacienda Luisita Inc. nung imte ng strike. Yun ang ginamit kong basis sa statement ko :)

    Corrupt? Cory? I've got two words for you Kamag-Anak Incorporated. Hahaha.

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  23. Proposition na walang basis?

    Mula sa Phil. Daily Inquirer, Nov.17 2007 issue:

    “At the House of Representatives, Deputy Speaker Benigno ‘Noynoy’ Aquino III (LP, Tarlac) , only son of the former President, defended the dispersal of the protesters … Aquino said that elements of the Armed Forces of the Philippines and Philippine National Police who dispersed the workers were ‘subjected to sniper fire coming from an adjacent barangay’… Aquino noted that 400 of the 736 workers in question had decided to return to work."

    (mula sa http://www.gmanews.tv/story/182515/how-a-workers-strike-became-the-luisita-massacre)

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  24. oy di ako robot. may link ako sa blog ko. hahaha.

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  25. Some serious reply. :P

    Yan nga po ang mali sa Pilipino. Laging base sa character LANG. I repeat character LANG. Dapat both may character and competence. Eh si NoyNoy jusme puro character lang. Puro Ninoy. Puro Cory. Wala namang napatunayan bilang siya na si NoyNoy.

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  26. Sir arman,

    Hindi po iyan ngayon lang. It is an issue that the activists, farmers and progressive groups have never forgotten. Ngayon lang uli nahighlight ng media but if you're going to do some RESEARCH sir, malamaman niyo na noon pa iyan ibinabato kay NoyNoy and his family. Pero until now na tumatakbo na siyang Pangulo, wala siyang reaksyon kundi hindi naman kami may-ari.

    At sir, I would reiterate my statement - if NoyNoy is indeed for change, then he should show some sympathy to the farmers in Hacienda Luisita and by all means, within his capacity as a Senator, do something to resolve the issue. Pero may ginawa ba siya? Wala. And until now, he had only been able to successfully evade the issue. But until he do something about it, it will continue to hound him.

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  27. Sir Arman,

    2. Nakakatakot naman po ung sinabi niyo na "..maybe he is sincere in his advocacy" kasi wala tayong narinig o nabalitaan na kahit anong isyu laban sa kanya. Pero sir naman, kung talagang SINCERE siya, noong nasa SENADO pa lang sana siya, eh isinulong na niya iyang sinasabi niyo na advocacy niya. Pero ala naman siya ginawa 'di ba? :) Sige nga sir, hinahamon ko kayo na magbigay ng batas na siya ang AUTHOR, hindi CO-AUTHOR ha, na related man lang sa advocacy niya at talagang isinulong niya. :)

    3. On trust vs platform:

    Iyan nga po ang sinasabi ko eh. Kung puro trust lang at wala naman siyang maibigay na kapalit sa trust na iyon kundi retorika lang aba'y mag-isip isip kayo. Baka masyado kayong nagtitiwala sa wala. :) Kumbaga, give and take di po ba? Pinagkatiwalaan siya. Bigyan niya ng KONKRETONG PANGHAHAWAKAN ang tao. Hindi statements lang na puwedeng ideny in the future.

    4. Siguro eh masyado po kayong naka-stay lang diyan sa kung nasaan kayo. :) Mag-ikot po kayo sa lugar niyo. Magtanong sa mga tao. Ang sasabihin nila, kaya nila napansin si NoyNoy ay dahil sa pagkamatay ni Cory. At kadugtong pa nun eh magulang niya sila kaya nila iboboto si NoyNoy.

    At bilang pangwakas, hindi ko idol yang si stalin eh, iba takbo ng utak niyan. Hahaha.. :D Anyway, aba'y kung sa ganyang dahilan kayo boboto, aba'y nakakaawa naman po ang bansa natin. Nag-aral pa tayo para lamang bumoto balang araw kasi ayaw natin dun sa isa. Tsk. :)

    Sir, ung hamon ko ha? :)

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  28. exactly, hindi talaga magandang training ground ang legislature kung gusto mong maging presidente. unang una magkaiba sila ng division at iba ang function nila sa government. kung gusto mo talaga ng competent na president, then elect someone who has already proven his worth in terms of his administrative skills and who has an excellent track record and experience on the executive branch. Sa case ni Aquino, buong political career niya falls on the legislative branch, that's why wala siyang considerable experience pagdating sa pagmamanage. So if he ever win, siguradong mangangapa siya sa unang araw ng trabaho. tandaan natin na ang pinaguusapan natin ay ang Presidential position, ibig sabihin ito ang magdidikta ng fate ng Philippines. so sa mga noynoy fanatics, please be logical about your decisions at wag niyo sanang gawing basehan ang reputation ng parents ni noynoy or ang pinagsasasabi niyang mga idealism dahil everyone knows na wala siyang first hand experience dito at hindi siya talaga familiar sa system.

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  29. Well, your basis for believing Noy Aquino's "trustworthiness" is just immaterial. Following your logic, we might as well look for great grandchildren of Philippine heroes and encourage them to launch their candidacies in the national elections because each of them has "a legacy to live with and uphold."

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  30. It has more to do with gut feeling rather than a physical / technical manifestation of his trustworthiness. What is trust anyways but a condition wherein one puts faith in something/someone with/without legitimate reason. (See: religion). I am speaking for myself, I cannot speak for every voter.

    Just for curiosity's sake, who do you think has enough character and competency needed for the job opening? :)

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  31. Were going out of the context here. Tawagin niyo na akong pilisopo pero, its not stealing anything if your defending the killers in a massacre or tagging activists as communists and terrorist. What I'm saying is, I don't care if he makes stupid decisions. Wag lang niyang nakawin ung pera ng bansa, its all I care about. If anything wrong happens pag nanalo siya para san pa ang impeachment? Kung gusto niyo irecord nyo na ngayon ung video na sabi na hindi siya magnanakaw. Hard evidence pag nagnakaw siya at grounds for impeachment na yun.

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  32. Let us put it this way, let us forget about the "Cory magic" and the HL massacre. The only thing that NoyNoy can bring to the table is his lineage and his incorruptible image. Other than that, he has nothing. Trustworthiness is not a major factor in running a country. As trustworthy as you are, it all boils down to what can you really achieve politically and economically for the country but not morally. Morality is only a secondary trait needed in leadership. If one of your major traits is your moral fiber and not political competence, then I suggest that you apply for a sainthood and not the presidency of the country.

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  33. "Most of the time, a person vote not because he wanted to vote for that someone, but because he did not like the other one"

    Arman,
    Ilan ba ang presidentiable? Dalawa lang ba? Hindi lang si villar at aquino ang tumatakbo sir.

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  34. you cannot vote for a president on the basis of gut feeling. that would be illogical.

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  35. Projectdennio,

    At iniisip mong nadadala ko sa emosyon? paano mong nasabi yun? No need to read newspapers, tv is enough. I never saw a report about noynoy labeling activists as communists and terrorists. If he did, then he has a reason. And if that reason is substantial, then maybe I will also consider them as communists and terrorists.

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  36. anton,

    I saw the article. And I thank you for the link that you provide. But going back to where and what you started. It seems that there is no substantial evidence that can prove that "NOYNOY, CALLED AN ARMED DISPERSAL AGAINST FARMWORKERS" that's what you are trying to prove am I correct? then, forget it. It is libelous, malicious and IT LACKS MERIT.

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  37. So ang gusto mong sabihin ay pwede tayo magkamali sa pagbot ng presidente dahil pwede naman siyang i-impeach anytime, at sinasabi mo rin na ayos lang na makagawa siya ng mga kamalian pag presidente na siya basta hindi siya magnakaw?

    Hindi mo ba alam na pwedeng ikasira ng isang bansa ang kamalian ng Presidente nito.
    Bale ayos lang sayo na ipatupad ng presidente ang mga batas na hind mabebenipisyohan ng bayan hanggat hindi nagnanakaw ang presidente?

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  38. that's witty and clever projectdennio. kaya lang magagawa mo bang iapply ang konseptong yan sa kaso ni Noynoy? sige ikaw ang bahala. Siguro hindi mo tinatangkang tignan ang 500 piso? o kaya naman, di ka nakikinig sa mga lecture ng mga guro mo noon sa kasaysayan ng pilipinas pag usapang ninoy at cory na. O kaya naman galit ka at ipinangalan ang ating airport sa tatay ni noynoy. Ano kaya?

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  39. Kung aasa lang sa impeachment, parang trial and error testing grounds lang ang election para sa pinuno. At si gloria ba naimpeach?

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  40. gerald

    walang akong pinangalangang mga kandidato dahil di ko alam ang takbo ng isip ng mga tao. atsaka kung ganun lang din, e di binago ko yung sinabi ni stalin.

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  41. that's witty and clever anton. Siguro hindi mo tinatangkang tignan ang 500 piso? o kaya naman, di ka nakikinig sa mga lecture ng mga guro mo noon sa kasaysayan ng pilipinas pag usapang ninoy at cory na. O kaya naman galit ka at ipinangalan ang ating airport sa tatay ni noynoy. Ano kaya?

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  42. kamag anak incorporated? e yun lang nman kasi ang alam mo eh. Ni hindi mo nga kilala kung sino mga kamaganak ni cory eh. O paano mo masasabing corrupt sya? kung hindi mo naman pala kilala ang kamag anak nya? At kung kilala mo man, anong kinalaman ng corrupt sa PRIBADONG NEGOSYO? kahit kimkimin nila ang kita ng negosyo nila, walang problema dun. Kanila yun. Hindi ka na dapat pang patulan pa, kaya lang sa nakikita ko, dapat itama ka.

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  43. Sa tingin ko sir arman ay iba ibig sabihin ni projectdennio. hindi lahat ng anak ay katulad ng magulang.

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  44. gerald

    Oo mali ako ng post. haha..para kay anton yan dapat. my bad.

    Oo tama yun, na hindi lahat ng anak ay katulad ng magulang. Pero naniniwala ako na hinuhubog ng magulang ang anak. At pinakamalaking impluwensya ang mga magulang sa kanilang anak. Hindi man maging Ninoy at Cory ang isang Noynoy, at least daladala nya anga pagiging Ninoy at Cory.

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  45. Let us be realistic. We all know the current political situation in the country, and to be safe, in every place that there is politics. Presidency is politics. Politics is dirty. Then what trait/s should everyone possess to clean politics?

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  46. and how will you vote? the fundamental basis of anyone's vote is TRUST. no matter how you put things in the right perspectives and how you think logically, the only thing that you have, the moment you sit down and mark your candidate, is TRUST.

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  47. Hi arman. Di ba si Ninoy, hindi Noynoy ang nasa 500 pesos? at walang Noynoy Aquino International Airport? Ikaw ba pumapayag na magaling ka dahil magaling ang mga magulang mo? Basta ako hindi.

    Nakikinig pala ako sa mga naging guro ko sa kasaysayan ng pilipinas noong high school at ngayong college, pero puro kritiko lang kay Cory ang naaalala ko. Sa grade school kasaysayan naman, alam mo ba kung bakit sinusunog ang maraming libro tungkol don sa UP? Dahil inaccurate sila.

    Salamat pala sayo, kay anton at sa iba pa sa pagpapainit ng diskusyon dito sa REKLAMOTION. Pero asan pala ang ibang Noynoy supporters? Nagtatago ba don sa facebook fan page kung saan na-ban kami dahil wala silang matinong maisagot sa mga tanong namin?

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  48. I think you have a misconception about politics. Politics is not dirty, per se. Politicking is dirty. Anyway, if you are looking for someone who will take care of cleaning the corrupt and dirty politicians, then what you are looking for is an ombudsman not a president.

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  49. By the way, if you want to be realistic, then you must know that finding a president that is both extremely competent and extremely moral is impossible. Now, when push comes to shove, I would rather have a president who is extremely competent than someone who's credentials include being the top student in his GMRC class.

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  50. Use hard evidence. The senate website is rife with evidence about their most competent senators. Ano ba nagawa talaga ni NoyNoy besides looking like a saint? Yun ba ang trabaho niya? Maging santo sa senado? Ano yun? Parang mascot lang xa? Pakitaan mo ako ng credentials ni NoyNoy as a congressman or senator.

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  51. FYI I'm still not of legal age to vote. Tinitignan ko lang yung mas dapat iboto ng mga magulang ko, kase ako yung tinatanong nila.

    Alam ko yun, sa tingin mo ba anong mas malaking problema natin ngayon? Pili ka bobong presidente o nawawalang pera?

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  52. Bakit hindi? Kung yun lang ang paraan para masatisfy ang mga perfectionist na taumbayan. There was never a perfect president and there will never be. Kase it boils down to the support of the people. Sa tingin mo ba kung nanalo si FPJ nuon susuportahan siya ng supporters ni Gloria? NOPE! They would do their job as a supporter and hahanapan nila ng butas ung kabila. Ganun lang din ang mangyayari ngayon. Trial and Error? Mas okay na yun kung iisipin nyo lang. Oo hussle pero if not by that way pano pa? Kukumbinsihin mo ung mga tao? Bago pa nangampanya at tumakbo ang mga candidates meron na silang gustong ibotong presidente.

    Andami natin. Pwede. Nothing is impossible. Tinamad lang tayo.

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  53. Hard evidence for what? Comelec did not required any hard evidence in order for you to make your decision to vote. Nakakagulat ka nman. Ano to kaso? at kung kaso man ito, bennard wla ka sa lugar para husgahan ang sino man. Dahil unang -una sa lahat, you are NOTHING.

    O sya, sige kung credentials lang din naman sige ito ang links. Please, tapusin mong basahin ha?

    http://www.senate.gov.ph/senators/sen_bio/aquino_noynoy_bio.asp
    http://www.noynoy.ph/blog/2010/04/18/noynoy-aquino-legislative-record/

    But again, no matter how you look up to these credentials, no matter how you think logically, at the end of the day, TRUST IS THE ONLY THING THAT YOU HAVE.at yun ang PINANGHAHAWAKAN NG SINO MANG BOBOTO SA MAYO. kumaba sa tagalog, kahaba haba man ng prosisyon, sa simbahan din ang tuloy.

    Hindi ko na tatangkain pang hintayin ang "defense mechanism" mo..Maliwanag na ayaw mo kay Noynoy. At hindi kita pipilitin. Nirerespeto ko ang demokrasya, kaya kung sino man ang gusto mong iboto. May God bless him/her.

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  54. Between a fellow who is stupid and honest and one who is smart and crooked, I will take the first. I won't get much out of him, but with that other guy I can't keep what I've got.

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  55. No, I think it would be hypocrite to say that Politics is not dirty. Applying some logic, if Politics is not dirty, then you may say its clean? Politicking, with respect to its inherent nature is dirty. Therefore, Politics is dirty. I did not said that the president should clean the dirty politicians. Its beyond his/her mandate, but as the highest official in the country, he/she may act as a role model to make politics clean.

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  56. Wow, arman. Grabe na di ka talaga magpapadala sa emotions mo. Scholarly discussion tapos magiging ganyan ka. I applaud your intelligence. Bravo. On a side note, hanggang yan lang ba ang kaya ni NoyNoy? Nanay at tatay tapos paresign-resign tapos holding the duties of a supervisor? He is a legislator, his duty is to make laws and the constitution is clear on that. Pero after his years in the senate, wala man lang siyang batas na naimplement. Ganito yun logically, kung ang trabaho mo ay gumawa ng batas, pero sa lahat ng yun walang naimplement, ano ka na? Tsaka yung metaphor mo about sa kasal ay out of place. Tsaka ung website na ibinigay mo sa akin, isa dun ay gawa ng noynoy supporters, syempre naman di nila ilalabas ang baho ng manok nila diba? At ang hinihingi ko ay hindi fanatic statements about NoyNoy bearing the Aquino legacy. Gustong ko makuha ay ung nagawa niya bilang legislator. Maibibigay mo ba sa akin yun, mr.arman?

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  57. Just because something isn't dirty, it does not mean it is clean. Politic neither dirty or clean. Ask the political scientists and I am sure that they will agree with me.

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  58. The presidential race is not between two spectrum. Human traits go far beyond that. I am sure that if you will review "thoroughly" the candidates for the upcoming elections, i know that you will find someone better than NoyNoy. The strength of NoyNoy are his supposed good intentions. But, as Chiz Escudero said, No one has a monopoly on good intentions.

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  59. Iboboto mo si NoyNoy dahil isa sa mga rason mo ay pwede naman siya maimpeach in case na magloko siya? Nahihibang ka ba?

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  60. NoyNoy is neither ninoy or cory. Bakit ba hindi mo mapasok sa isip mo yan? Morality is not a genetic trait. Ang basis mo kasi kung bakit gusto mo si noynoy ay dahil anak siya ng bayani, di siya magnanakaw, sincere siya, etc. Puro about his morals. Kung tutuusin, para masigurado mo na trustworthy and sincere siya, dapat you know him personally. Isa sa mga fundamental elements ng trust ay personal relationship. Kaibigan mo ba si NoyNoy? Pinsan? Tito? Lover? Kung hindi, yung trust mo ay immaterial.

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  61. dela joker.

    sinabi kasi si anton na " But if you classify parentage as a basis of competence, then Noynoy has no basis for competence at all."

    ano ba ang pagkakaintindi mo dito?

    sa akin pinatutungkol nya dito ang mga magulang ni Noynoy.kaya naisip ko na baka may sama sya ng loob, o kaya nman hindi talaga niya gusto si Ninoy at Cory. sa madaling salita WALA SIYANG RESPETO SA ISANG TAONG kinokonsider ng maraming pilipino bilang isang BAYANI, at sa isang DATING PANGULO, na pinakaminahal ng nakararaming PILIPINO.

    Wala akong ipinilit na si Noynoy ang nasa 500 piso at siya ang nakapangalan sa Airport. Maliwanag na di mo naintindihan ang gusto kong iparating. Pagaralan mabuti ang kontexto ng isang pahayag. Di mo alam nilulunod ka na pla nito.

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  62. at isa pa joker.

    hindi ko masasabing magaling ako base sa kagalingan ng magulang ko. Pero isa ang maliwanag, ANG KAGALINGAN NG MAGULANG KO ANG HUMUBOG SA AKIN PARA AKO'Y MAGING MAGALING.

    subukan mong iapply kay Noynoy ng maunawaan mo.

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  63. Ganito yun, si cory, as a president, was honest. However she was never a competent president. Under her leadership, walang nangyaring agrarian reform kahit na ipinangako niya ito nung campaign period. Si ninoy naman, power hungry by nature, sabi ni cory na si Ninoy a gumagamit mismo ng guns, goons, and gold kapag nangangampanya siya. Kaya lamang naging makabayan si Ninoy ay dahil nakulong siya at nagkaroon siya ng epiphany. Ang epiphanies ay hindi naituturo o naipapamana. Ngayon, si NoyNoy naman, di siya namatayan ng asawa, di siya nakulong, nanirahan siya sa magarang tahanan, haciendero ang pamilya nila, di niya kinondena ang HL massacre, may fascist tendencies siya, pero may mama at papa siya na bayani, may commercial siya na sinabi niya na hindi siya magnanaka, pagdating sa debate, wala siyang ibang nasasabi kung hindi ang di niya pagnanakaw at legacy ng parents niya. O astig siya diba?

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  64. Problema, hindi sa kanila ang HL. Sa mga magsasaka yun ngunit ninakaw nila nung panahon ni Marcos. Wag mo maliitin si anton, sa nakikita ko, mas matalino yan sayo. At alam niyan na kamag-anak niya ang mga cojuanco.

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  65. hahaha asan nga yung galing ni Noynoy? Eh di ba sinasabi mo na sya ang pinili mo dahil sa kanyang "incorruptible image," na mas importante sa competence.

    Come on, we could argue on this the whole year, kahit tapos na ang election, pero alam ng lahat ng nasa thread na to na sira na ang arguments mo. Suggestion: find someone who could bring something new to the table to could join us here :D

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  66. you cannot just rely on trust. kahit wala naman masyadong guidelines and comelec regarding credentials, di yun manifestation na hindi mo na titingnan ang credentials.

    regarding bennard judging noynoy: well, he has to judge. karapatan nya yun at kelangan bilang voter. it's just that it is quite disturbing to rely on noynoy without looking at his credentials. same with other candidates.

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  67. arman.

    hindi po lahat ng natutunan o nauunawaan ay maaari nang i-apply sa kung ano man. sa konteksto ng iyong pahayag, hindi po ba't hindi natin maaaring sabihin na nahubog ang pagkatao ni ninoy dahil sa kagalingan ng kanyang magulang dahil lang sa sa gayong paraan nahubog ang pagkato mo. totoo, maaaring ganoon nga ngunit walang kasiguraduhan. at huwag rin po nating kakalimutan na wala ring basehan ang iyong pahayag. kung paano man nahubog ang iyong pagkatao, hinding hindi mo maaaring sabihin na ganoon din ang naging kapalaran ni noynoy sapagkat magkaiba ang mundong inyong ginagalawan. maaari lamang na magkapareho ang inyong mundo kung nasa 500 ang tatay mo, laging naka-yellow ang nanay mo at may talk show ang sister o at super active na nangangampanya para sayo. not to mention si james yap ang asawa ng sister mo.

    bagama't mga kilalang tao sa larangan ng pulitika ang mga magulang ni noynoy, hindi ibig sabihin nito na ipinanganak siya para sa larangang ito. at kung hinangaan man ng sambayanan ang mga magulang niya, hindi ibig sabihin na kahangahanga din si noynoy.

    on the image.
    lahat ng tao nabibihisan at nasa tao ang pagdala. kung ang aso nga nakakatago ng dumi, paano pa kaya ang mga taong naliligiran ng tinatawag na lobbyists?

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  68. "Hard evidence for what? Comelec did not required any hard evidence in order for you to make your decision to vote. Nakakagulat ka nman. Ano to kaso? at kung kaso man ito, bennard wla ka sa lugar para husgahan ang sino man. Dahil unang -una sa lahat, you are NOTHING." -arman

    arman let me react.


    it is very unscholarly for you to bash bennard and directly say that he is nothing. sino ka ba? introduce yourself. alam mo ba kung bakit may elections? para maghusga ang sambayanan kung sino ang karapatdapat. you must judge the candidates in the process. kung hindi, hindi ka napapamilang sa mga educated voters. kung makasalita ka parang ang galing mo pero hindi mo naman madepensahan ang mga pahayag mo. hindi ka rin nga nagbigay ng concrete evidence na incorruptible [or any synonym of this word] siya. yun na nga lang ang standing claim mo hindi mo pa mabigyan ng magandang statement.

    hindi naman sa ayaw ni bennard sa kandidato mo, bukas lamang ang kaniyang isipan. kaya tayo ay narito sa reklamotion upang maliwanagan at maghatid ng kaliwanagan sa sambayanan.

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  69. If I may butt in, the concept of Politics is not dirty. What the politicians do to win is the dirty concept.

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  70. Noynoy Aquino has been rocketed to this upcoming election out of the outpouring of sympathy for the death of his mother. I very much agree with Panjerak that Noynoy lacks something that could fully give him the faculties to govern this country. Remember, we are not a nation who could afford a-not-fully capable President. If we expect that a person of good familial lineage, someone whose father was assassinated and whose mother died of cancer, could lead this country to weather through local and global affairs, then we all should jump off a building!

    What most people are thinking, imploring the names of Ninoy and Cory as their sole bases for voting Noynoy, is a big carriage-before-the-horse fallacy. Had Noynoy been Ninoy, it surely would make a great difference, but it would never be. It is dismal that at this stage, with all the SWS, Pulse Asia, and Business Mirror surveys, everyone of us can have a clear glimpse of the future--and it is not at all good.

    Another logical fallacy is when people assume that Noynoy is incorruptible. It lacks a concrete basis basically because 'incorruptibility' cannot be treated empirically; it surely would be difficult, if not impossible. How could you say that he is incorruptible? Because his mother raised him well? How 'well' is 'well'? And surely, you would have someone in mind whom you know was raised very well by his/her parents yet ended up somewhere despicable. People are not thinking that should this man win, he would not be the one to run this country; his cronies would, his men would. He surely will just be a puppet, just like Laurel during the Japanese occupation. And in that respect, his role as president, the supposed caretaker of the people and guardian of the foundations in which this nation stands, becomes compromised. The topic here does not only encompass whom to vote this May 10 but most importantly how to choose, how to think, and how to have conviction to acknowledge that somewhere in us lies a misguided principle. I honestly used to think about voting for him but it dawned on me that it would be another six years of uncertainty for the Filipino people. I do not want to be blamed, seriously, by the next generations for perpetuating this kind of folly when it comes to choosing a leader. I really wish that I could get out of this system, but it would be impossible.

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  71. Trust per se isn't exactly the issue I have in mind (Arman's comment about trust and voting goes without saying, for that matter). My concern does not revolve about the existence of trust, but rather the basis which you have for it. I find it problematic that your confidence in Noynoy is grounded on (exaggeratedly) optimistic expectations instead of his past performance. The challenge herein is to examine his profile as a politician. Check whether your candidate’s personal track record is sufficient to qualify him as a leader who is not only upright but also competent.

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  72. Being (the most) qualified to govern the nation has very little to do with having traits that will render the political realm (seemingly) clean. Truth be told, it will remain perpetually filthy as long as there are entities in the arena who have nothing better to do than nurture their own interests. Beyond (perceived) morality, it's far more crucial to have the will and the capacity to implement policies and programs that will truly foster sociopolitical and economic development.

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  73. @ bennard: Why illogical? IS THERE, say, a foolproof FORMULA that can be used in picking a president?

    [Educational Background + Age of Candidate (Legislative experience x Executive experience) / No. of bills passed x Volunteer Work - TV Advertisments] Trustworthiness = VOTE

    Will that do? Will that be finally logical?

    In the end, it will still be your gut feeling on who you think will be the best fit for the job. Everyone has their own formulas and criteria in their minds. What is the elections, after all, but a summary of all the gut feelings and opinions of the people put on paper?

    Note: I have no idea if typed formula is even mathematically probable. Am bad at math. Pls. keep heckling to a minimum. :)

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  74. so ang sinasabi po ninyo na walang naipasang batas si noynoy ay....walang kinalaman sa kanyang dapat hindi pagkapangulo? *gasp!*

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  75. sir delajoker, walang personalan naman.

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  76. di na po bale. kumpara sa ibang tumatakbo, mukha naman siyang disposable eh. mas madalin tanggalin kung lumabas ang tunay na kulay. kasi masyado siyang tamad para magstay sa posisyon. di tulad ni madam arroyo ngayon na masipag....kumapit at mangulangot este mangurakot.

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  77. pasensya na mechellespi. salamat sa iyong komento.

    define personalan: http://reklamotion.blogspot.com/2010/04/cory-aquino-has-always-been-icon-of.html#comment-45437965

    PS. astig ng fb profile pic mo ah haha

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  78. All I am saying is the presidency is a very high position and, thus, cannot be decided through sheer gut feeling or trustworthiness of the candidate. By the way, your equation might be correct. Better patent it..:)

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  79. Hi Sir Arman,

    Eh panu naman ung mga "masama ang magulang" pero lumaking matino ang mga anak? I guess, by claiming that Noyoy's 'kagalingan' is the same as his parents is baseless. Para mo na rin po sinabi na porke magaling ang magulang, pati anak ganun din at kung ndi magaling ang magulang, ganun na din ang anak. Though may konting katotohanan, it does not apply to all. And in this case, it does not apply to NoyNoy because in the first place, wala naman siyang napatunayan na 'kagalingan' gaya ng naipakita ng mga magulang niya. Kumbaga, nakikisawsaw lang siya sa 'legacy' ng magulang niya.

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  80. Sir, no one really wins in the debate. But if you start typing in all caps, it means you're running out of reasons to continue the debate. :)

    Short reactions:

    1. Though he is not an owner, the mere fact that his relatives are the owner of HLI, may pakialam siya dapat sa ginagawa nila 'di ba? Just like how we Filipinos react if one of our relatives did something good or bad.

    2. Sir, this election is not about gambling. Though you have a point, mas maganda siguro sumugal dun sa alam mo at tiyak ka na may konkreto siyang plataporma. Hindi magnanakaw? Lalabanan ang corrupt? These are overused statements. What the people need are concrete steps na puwede nilang singilin sa kanya once he became President.

    3. Sir, one of the most basic requirements I guess is your track record. Character and family background is just one of them. Actually, pag nag-apply ka ng trabaho di ba eh di naman nila tatanungin kung sugarol ba lolo mo o lassenga nanay mo di ba? The presidency is a job where we need qualified applicants.

    4. Well sir, these intellectuals you are telling me who support NoyNoy too are also plain emotional. :) Read up their statements of support and their columns. None of them ever mentioned NoyNoy's competency as a president.

    5. Hindi ko naman po ipinipilit sa iyo na mali kayo. I'm just stating the other side in case you cannot see it. :) Nag-react ka po so just like you said we are in a democracy and I believe I am responsibly practicing its use. Nakakalungkot nga lang if I engage in a debate with some rabid NoyNoy fans eh kulang na lang sakalin ako kasi wala na silang masabi.

    Ipinapakita lamang po niyan na NoyNoy is a president which will win on emotions not on clear, concrete platform.

    PS Paki sabi naman sa admin ng NoyNoy fan page na ibalik na rights ko to comment. Kasi naman nasa democracy tayo di ba and I'm just engaging in a healthy exchange of ideas kaso mukhang masyadong sarado ang isip nila sa ganun. Hehe.. :)

    PS2 With that scenario, I'm quite scared if NoyNoy would eventually be against freedom of expression once he becomes president.

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  81. True. :D Even their trust is based on dumbfounded assumptions. :)

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  82. Sir, here are the links where NoyNoy's lackeys tagged us and his enemies as communists:

    http://makabayan.org.ph/story/lp%E2%80%99s-aquino-yet-again-echoes-military-tune-%E2%80%93-maza
    http://www.gmanews.tv/story/188553/querubin-hit-for-backing-pro-communist-villar

    Here are some useful links regarding the HLI issue you should read this:

    http://www.gmanews.tv/story/183662/after-luisita-massacre-more-killings-linked-to-protest

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  83. Not lacking logic does not necessarily mean that your logical in a good way. For an instance let's quote your words,

    "People are not emotional, they see NA as the most trusted even though not the most qualified person to lead a reform in the government. You cannot blame them. NA's best endorsers are his parents."

    From these words I can logically deduce that the people your talking about are stupid, how can you even trust a person who's endorsers are his dead parents? Their already effing dead! Whats the point of bringing them out from their rest so that you would have some famous people endorse for you?! that logic is effing stupid. I don't need to be a lawyer or a political analyst to understand that.

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  84. @projectdenio

    Napakaraming punto ni armon sa iyo. Unang una...siguro kaya sya ng caps ng ibang sentence coz he wants to emphasize them... which in my opinion ay..karamihan naman ay may punto at basehan..kung titignan mo he is very detailed in everything that he said kaya nga mas marami ang sinabi nya kesa sa'yo. Pano mo nasabing nauubusan n sya ng sasabihin?

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  85. nabasa ko yung buong sinabi ni arman...sa tingin ko hindi mo naintindihan yung sinabi nya...

    tinatawag mong stupid yung mga taong iyon? Ni hindi mo nga kilala kung sino sila..kung ano sila. atska...patay man na sina cory at ninoy physically...their legacy is already in the textbooks..meaning buhay pa din sila..hindi mo masisi si noynoy..naging magulang nya yan sila cory at noynoy eh..siguro wala namang sinabi si arman na buhayin sila para ikampanya sya..napaktanga lang ang ganitong pagkakaunawa...tama, at nasabi mong di mo na kailangan pang maging abogado o political analyst pa para maintindihan mo ito...kasi nakakahiyang isipin kung maging ganun ka...

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  86. "HUWAG MONG ASAHANG POSITIBO ANG REAKSYON SA’YO PAG MALI ANG PINATUTUNGKOL MO SA ISANG KANDIDATO. To be more specific, HUWAG NA HUWAG MONG ISIPIN NA MALI ANG MGA TAONG SUMUSUPORTA KAY NOYNOY BASE LAMANG SA TIWALA. Dahil kung ganun lang din, LAHAT NG NAGTITIWALA SA MGA GUSTO NILANG IBOTO ay MALI."

    It make sense. pero undecided voter pa din ako..wahahaha..

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  87. according to my panpil17 prof, agrarian reform in favor of the big land lords, i.e.: yung pamilya ni cory and other hacienderos..

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  88. yes, yung agrarian reform ngayon. but the statement is inaccurate.
    1. Comprehensive Agrarian Reform Program (CARP) - current, "in favor of the big land lords"
    2. Genuine Agrarian Reform Bill (GARB) - sinusulong, tama

    for more info:
    http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://bulatlat.com/main/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/8-49-ap-garb-vs-carp-ok.pdf

    sino prof mo?

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  89. ganda pala ng discussion dito, nakasulat na sana ako ng essay-type n reply kaso di pa ko marunong magmaneuver ng apple na mouse.. hay, sige, comment ko yun uli mamaya...

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  90. like, lol ha. personalan: wag mo ibash ang tao. durugin mo ang kanyang opinions, pero wag naman ang pangalan niya

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  91. gusto ko to anton, lol. alang paliguy-ligoy. sapul!

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  92. naku, naku, feeling ko lang naman, ang ibig sabihin ni anton is hinayaan ito ni noynoy..

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  93. trial and error?! you are talking of years, millions of pesos and international media frenzy starring this country. and i agree with dwight, if that happens ikahihiya ko nang ipaalam sa isang foreigner ang natinality ko; pano ba naman, eh mukha ng pilipino ang presidente eh (parang si erap, diba katawa-tawa ang pilipino nung na-elect siya?)

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  94. sir sony,
    pwede mo po bang hiliningin kay arman na magbigay ng detalye alinsunod sa plataporma ni noynoy salamat

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  95. kung trial and error lang naman ang sagot sa mga daing ng perfectionist na taumbayan, edi sana sibakin na ang comelec at gumawa na lang ang pagcor ng malaking raffle tapos ang unang mabunot presidente agad. kung ayaw na ng mga mamamayan sa kanya, punta na lang sila sa edsa, itigil ang daloy ng mga sasakyan, magpaulan ng bulaklak galing sa flyover at mag-prayer vigil sa tabi ng dambuhalang estatwa ng birhen habang umaasang bumaba sa posisiyon ang masuwerteng nabunot ng nakaraang eleksiyon. at huwag din natin kalimutan na gawing kaawa-awa (katawa-tawa) ang sarili dahil mabibigyan tayo ng eksposyur at malay niyo ba madiscover tayo ng producers galing sa ibang bansa.

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