Wednesday, February 16, 2011

Pisay and UP Arrogance


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Disclaimer: This is not a generalization of Pisay and UP students. This targets certain individuals with characteristics described in this post.


For years we have dignified Pisay and UP graduates go in to finance, management and governance. But why is this country still in poverty, even with brilliant intellectuals at the helm? I return this question to you, minions of Honor and Excellence. The Team had numerous debates with fellow Iskolars ng Bayan from politics to the matters of the UAAP cheerdance. We find that certain individuals argue bluntly about their opinion. This is not a vendetta, this a love letter to your pride as an intellectual.

And how do those Pisay and UP students argue? They refer to their grasp on "logic" repetitively, their everyday bag of "infallible" retorts. They use the term "invalid" loosely, they let one rip very easily. "Your argument is invalid". Yes, logical validity is essential in argumentation but we must remember that the soundness of the statement is equally important. This statement's logical structure is valid: It is raining blood, therefore a dragon died. But is the sentence sound? Did it deliver the truth for only having a valid structure? That is the common mistake of self-declared logicians, that they cite logic only with structure.

In discussions, they tend to close the thread as "futile" and "must not go any further" for it is lacking intelligence. What is less intelligent, to have an exchange of ideas that creates a deep well of thoughts, or to shut down further discussion just to highlight your "intellectual elitism"? Is Socrates stupid when he went around and had debates, or having a self-concocted orientation, with no practice, make you any brilliant at all?

They refer to politics as illogical, for people are chaotic and so is the world; and scientific laws are the only truth in the world for everything else is relative. This is another sickness of self-declared Pisay and UP intellectuals, they argue that one idea is correct because its truth is relative on other existing ideas. "Chocolate is more delicious than pineapple, it's my opinion, whatever yours is also is acceptable". One opinion is correct because we are all entitled to it. So, the opinion of a military officer to harass farmers is acceptable for the logical structure is valid? Yes, because it is the opinion of an individual and we are all entitled to one. GARBAGE! So P-Noy can buy a Porsche amidst price hikes? This is a concern because it does not only emphasize his bourgeois lifestyle, but his insensitivity to the people that are his constituents! Very capitalist, very neoliberal! Neoliberal thinkers does not really bring truth to the table. They think about themselves, their grades, a high-paying job and sucking up to the Man—and nothing on the collective improvement of the country! We must base our advocacies on concrete events, not on metaphysical discussions on how we see the world. People are starving, so we have to take action. To quote Karl Marx, "The philosophers have only interpreted the world in various ways—the point however is to change it".

Another sickness is condescension. Pisay and UP students tend to look at themselves as the cream of the crop, the best that there is. I salute you, Pisay and UP students really are a clever bunch but is intelligence only the important thing to offer? Many of you would treat the voters as crap for they elected the wrong people in the government. "Ano ba yan, muntikan pang manalo si Erap. Ninakawan niya tayo ah!" We must not forget that we, the educated, has the duty to inform the masses on what's better for the country. With education being commercialized, colonial and repressive, it is getting more and more unattainable for people below the poverty line. Education after all, is a right, and this is being stripped away by the same money-hungry snots mentioned above!

Pisay and UP people have always used their intelligence as a card to present in any thinkable arena. "There are only two universities in the Philippines, UP and others. There are only two high schools in the Philippines, Pisay and others". This elitism did not solve economic inequality. We must always level with the masses, think with them and struggle with them, for without them this country would be in shambles. I think, therefore I am from UP? You, a self proclaimed logician, must notice the incorrectness of this.

You brand activists as "barbaric", but the ones that are apathetic and passive on issues directly affecting them are the real subhuman. For a man that is hurt would shout; he would resist. The real undeveloped creatures are the ones that maintain the status quo, for they are comfortable up in their pedestal where the conditions suit them. They don't have a fight-or-flight response, they only ignore. In the end, the intense word wars are not important, but the change that took place that are lead by people that are not cowards to settle at a safe ideology. Pisay and UP students must know better. Mabuhay ang Iskolar ng Bayan!




65 comments:

  1. actually 08 si Dan. 06 ata si Mico Maestro.

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  2. I am happy to have bumped into this blog site. Good job! I would love to read more posts tomorrow. For now, I shall park my eyes.

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  3. Thanks for dropping by, Sir Jerry!

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  4. well said. but over the top.

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  5. not a generalization of UP and Pisay students, but this blog shows otherwise. besides, UP is not a total ground for elitists, for their complete opposites can also be found in the school. and what's with the argument on the logical structure?! it doesn't seem to make any sense at all. this should be addressed not only to UP and Pisay students, but to all other students as well. this discrimination against one of the best schools in the country further shows how closed other people's mentality is.

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  6. di naman kami ang nananalo sa eleksiyon eh..HAHAHA.. taga ATENEO po ating presidente..:)

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  7. Don't judge without even knowing what we go through to become what we are now.

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  8. Holy shit. Learn your history.

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  9. it takes balls, huh. Guess you don't have them, then.

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  10. oh and your writing does not SOUNDS plagiarised. <--- if you get it, then you get it.

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  11. uie pre, alam kong nakakainis sila, pero kung gagawa ka ng speech, eh sana ayusin mo naman grammar mo. Sorry ha. Hindi ko ma-seryoso argument mo eh. Nakakatawa masyado ang "wrong gramming" mo. :) Oh, and btw pre, ang ganda ng mga salitang ginamit mo ah! Pahiram nga ng thesaurus mo..mejo dumudugo na ilong ko eh. Salamat pre ah!

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  12. please don't talk about the gov't giving money to the military. You haven't even seen what the soldiers go through. Have you ever gone to an actual Army camp? Have you ever seen the situation there? I'm sorry, but you're opinions are sooooo one-sided. And don't tell us that we don't know shit, because buddy, WE KNOW MORE SHIT THAN YOU DO.

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  13. Pisay students are only allowed to enroll into sience and technology courses. It's part of the contract that they're required to sign before being granted the scholarship. It is thus no surprise that only very few of them actually delve into politics.

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  14. This is very good example of elitist thinking. Also, ad hominem, you ass.

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  15. Oops. I noticed a mistake in my grammar. I apologize to all Grammar Nazis out there.

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  16. Ah. Another Grammar Nazi, we do welcome you to our grammar-lax blog. Enjoy your anonymity-shrouded stay.

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  17. You seriously want to have an argument about balls?

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  18. Listen here, you closed-minded little twit (I refer to the writer of this article). It is actually people like YOU who keep complaining that are the root cause of the problem, not those who use their intelligence for good reasons. Still, I admire you for creating quite a poignant display of your thoughts towards these thinking minds. *applause* (Ehem, if you think I mean this, think again. Have you ever heard of sarcasm?)

    People like you who just live their lives as if you could do nothing else to change the situation. Think about it - by constantly complaining and just sitting there watching other people fire back at your opinion, are you changing anything at all? You don't require a PhD or any special degree to answer that question. People like YOU - mediocre, just happy with the way things are, and not willing to change yourselves - are the real cause of what this country is in now. You people do nothing but sit in front of your computers writing useless things about most everything you think has to be revamped, remodeled, reconstructed, and/or reorganized without yourselves doing something significant to contribute to the desired changes. Mediocrity is an attitude of losers. Unwillingness to change is an attitude of losers. Unless you want to die tired, sad, and unfulfilled, you had better wake up. Wake up to the reality that everyone must do their part in fulfilling our ultimate goal - to rise up, to combat poverty, and to live healthy lives.

    Wake up. WAKE UP.

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  19. apology accepted bitch.

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  20. The twit you are referring to is an active member of society who helps the marginalized sector of society. He actively campaigns for greater subsidy for education, greater social welfare for the poor, and the rights of the youth sector. He has risked life and limb to protect the poor from the demolition of their homes and other activities that aims to help the derelict sector of society. This blog is just a mere extension of his ideologies. What have you done lately that we can all be proud of? Please. Enlighten us.

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  21. oh yes, i do. Because judging by your OH-SO-LONG-AND-TOTALLY-AMAZING-SPEECH, you talk about responsibility as if you yourself have done so many things for our country. If we are elitist thinkers, then you're an untrained dog. Wanna know why? Because you rant about what you feel, giving ridiculously long statements, and not even doing anything. ALL BARK AND NO BITE.

    OH, and if you really LITERALLY want to talk about balls, then here's the thing:

    I JUST BROKE BOTH OF YOURS.
    So piss off, because baby, I kick high, AND I KICK PRETTY DARN HARD.

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  22. So what, you think it's our fault that the generals are doing that? I thought this was about Pisay and UP students. What did we do? Magically manipulate the military with our oh-so-not-smart brains? Oh please.

    You know more shit than us, huh? Well, guess that makes you an asshole. ;)

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  23. GOD can you not be a smart ass for once and go from feline to cat? Get what I mean? Because seriously, everyone just thinks that instead of the supposed purpose of your statement, you're trying to show that you're smarter than those students. Everyone is getting the impression that you're a bitter ass. Hindi ka naman sineseryoso ng mga tao eh. Iba ang nakukuha naming ideya. We get that you're smart. We get that you have something to say. But dude, this isn't a debate wherein you can baffle the judges by using long complicated sentences and words that are unheard of, so to speak. This is just a statement that you have for YOUR opinion on those students. You get angry when your opinion gets rebutted, and you tell us that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. BUT relating that to the Erap statement, that's also just an opinion. So before correcting others, correct yourself, because everyone's just laughing at you in the background.

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  24. Why yes, I think I will. :)

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  25. Dude, ADMU po ang presidente natin. So holy shit, learn YOUR history.

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  26. So that's what you do. Campaign. You know you can actually help the society in a more PEACEFUL manner? Like, say, help out in Gawad Kalinga or Bantay Bata. UP students, like you, are known for the rallies and campaigns they do against the gov't. This has been going on for years, so it's nothing new. You think doing that same thing will change the gov'ts mind? Of course not. You think that what you are doing is helping the society? You may be from Pisay (i'm talking about that Dwight Galang person) and from UP, but the difference between us is that YOU are so close-minded. You are so frustrated. We become the "creme of the crop" because we are the ones who create new ideas. We are open-minded. We think outside the box.

    Don't tell me this is elitist thinking because it's not. It's the truth. So next time you wanna brag about what you have achieved think about the effect it actually has on society.

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  27. Oh really? I had not noticed. A bit stronger please, if you may.

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  28. Newsflash, we do that too. But our main focus is on activism. Also, answer the question. What have you done lately? Where are these so-called ideas that you take pride in so much because, seriously, I look out at the window and I see no change.

    Also, I think that we are more active and open-minded since we try to subvert society along with the passivity that you propagate.

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  29. We're not angry. We just refute your arguments and answer in a manner that we think reflects our opinion. And, frankly, we're laughing in the background too. Seriously, you are all funny.

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  30. Also, I answered a similar comment minutes ago. I am not compelled to repeat to a person like you who does not have the balls to discard his/her anonymity.

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  31. Holy shit. The post was about Pisay and UP students but my reply was not about that but about your own comment. Please read carefully. Seriously, you're pulling things out of your ass.

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  32. By history, I meant the number of Presidents that came from UP. Sheesh.

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  33. Participating in Gawad Kalinga or Bantay Bata is a viable option, but it is just a temporary solution to the problem. These people don't need the excess resources of others, they deserve the wealth of this nation. Our campaigns are not anti-government. Voicing-out the problems is a democratic act, a participatory process where the citizens involve themselves in the shaping of the nation. It is not a matter of changing the government's mind because WE are the government. We have rights and we can take it to them when they don't pay attention to us. The people must be heard first, our leaders are just representing us in public office. They can not dictate what we must do. This is thinking outside the box. When you diss the protesters, it is clearly elitist to call it the non-peaceful approach, or calling it the improper way. We are not bragging our achievements, we just want to clear things up before you call us things that we are not in the real life.

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  34. u mad bro? *trollface.jpg

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  35. we're funny? Please. Elaborate.

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  36. THIS IS BULLCRAP

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  37. pfff. i can smell pure insecurity, dude. chill

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  38. How can it be insecurity if we are also a part of this group of students?

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  39. WOW! Pls. take a logic class in U.P. to know of your fallacies!

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  40. FYI, graduates of Pisay are not meant to go to Politics and such because they are taught in this specialized school to become the people who are experts in Science, Math and Technology who shall help this country. Pisaynons have been giving back to the Philippines through their research work (e.g. conservation of the wildlife, developing the use of resources only found in the Philippines, creating computer programs to make office work more efficient, invent products for a greener planet, and so many more things). There are also those who have become doctors to the barrios while other have become engineers making roads and infrastructures.

    I have met and known Pisaynon and they are not quite what is stated above. I actually noticed that those who say such things are those without any insiders, those who don't actually know Pisaynons. But, hey, I wouldn't want you guys to believe all these. I mean, everybody's got their opinion and we have to respect that. However, it does not mean that we should keep ignorant about it.

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  41. Read: Disclaimer

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  42. And take a class in usernames because, seriously, soulfrost88?

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  43. it is true that SOME pisay and up students have the thing called "Hubris", but i believe that we are not taught to be arrogant and we do not need to prove ourselves that we are active and responsible citizen of the country by citing projects and programs that are being conducted by the campuses and by the graduates of pisay and UP..
    we do accept ideas, we try to find solutions for our country's problems, we don't need to be recognized...do not blame us for the shortcomings of people,, i'm not really against this, it's your opinion anyway, but some misunderstandings hurt people

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  44. you're a graduate from Pisay and a current UP student?????? well then why are you calling yourself a money-hungry snot?!?!?!? xD

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  45. bet tayo, kilala mo akoApril 26, 2011 at 11:20 PM

    psssttt kathleen!!!!!!!!!!

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  46. bet tayo, kilala mo akoApril 26, 2011 at 11:29 PM

    STFU!!! all you're saying is bullcrap! as a graduate from Pisay, YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT WE ARE BOUND TO WORK FOR THE PHILIPPINES FOR FOUR YEARS AS STATED IN OUR CONTRACTS......how dare you call yourself a graduate from Pisay

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  47. Narinig ko na ang linyang ito noon--sa akin mismo. Sa loob ng anim na taon wala akong ginawa kundi mag-ingay at mag-organisa ng masa. Pero, tol, ginagamit ka rin ng mga HO mo. At sila din ginagamit din sila ng HO nila.

    Napilit ng mga "obhektibong" kondisyon noon na mag-organisa ako sa ilang prente na magkakasabay--kabataan, manggagawa, magsasaka, mangingisda at UF. Mantakin mo, lima lang kami sa grupo dahil nga nagsisimula pa lang kami "ulit" sa isang probinsiya at lahat ng ito ginawa namin. Banat na banat kami. Nagbigay kami ng suhestiyon na mag-pokus lang sa isang prente--kabataan. Pero mapilit iyong bossing namin e. Ayaw makinig. At di niya nakita na demoralisado kami sa takbo ng mga bagay-bagay.

    Tatlo ang "hukbo" sa amin. Saan na kami ngayon? 2 kaming naging titser (hindi sa "University of the People" kundi sa ilalim ng burukratang sistema ng edukasyon). Isang call center agent. Isang may-ari ng computer shop. Isang nag-abroad.

    Subukan mong mag-isip ng hindi nakakahon ang iyong isipan. Lumabas ka sa iyong kahon at gamitin mo ang kapangyarihan mong mag-analisa upang pag-aralan ang mga bagay-bagay. Sa ngayon kasi, talagang nakakahon ang iyong pag-iisip (sa pagiging tibak).

    Kung naaalala kung ano ako noon, naaalala ko si Don Quixote--romanticist (oy, Ingles). Iyong ipinapangalandakan ng mga tibak na obhektibo sila? Oo, sa pag-aanalisa ng mga datos. Pero sa kung paano sila mamuhay? Feeling nila nasa pelikula sila lagi.

    Huwag mong sayangin ang pagkakataon na ipinagkakaloob sa iyo ng iyong "elitistang" edukasyon. Aaminin ko sa ngayon, "natdem" ako. Kaya ang suhestiyon ko sa iyo, gumradweyt ka at magpayaman at magpatayo ng sariling kompanya na sumasagot sa mga batayang pangangailanga. Gamitin mo ang kaalaman mo sa "research and development" upang gumawa ng mga bagay na kapaki-pakinabang at pagkakakitaan ng lahat. Sa ganoong paraan makakalikha ka pa ng trabaho na tumatagal at matatag. Hindi na kailangan ng mga mag-aabroad. Uunlad tayo.

    Alam mo kasi ang problemang isa dahil sa kawalan ng trabaho dahil nga sa "bulok na sistema" ng gobyerno, maraming nag-aabroad. Alam mo ang resulta? Iyong naiwang pamilya, nagiging tamad at walang ginagawa kung hindi humilata. Kaya di sila nagiging produktibo, umaasa na lang sa padala galing sa abroad. Ang sagot ng kilusan? "Cultural education." Sa mga larangan at iba pang lugar na kinikulusan, nangyayari ito pero kung titignan mo ang mga mismong mga kasama, pati sila nagiging mga tamad at nagiging pakitang-tao na lang ang mga "mass work". Lalo na sa mga liblib na lugar di puwedeng halimbawa e, magtanim kasi nga palatandaan iyon at puwedeng maging senyales sa mga sundalo na merong mga hukbo sa lugar. Tsk, tsk.

    Siyangapala, alam mo bang karamihan din sa mga "mass organizers" ay galing din sa UP? At ano na ang nangyari? Gaano katagal bago matapos ang "protracted war" na niyakap at isiniwalat dito sa Pilipinas ni Joma na isa ring UPian? May nangyari na bang de-kalidad na pagbabago? Wala pa!

    Man, I am telling you, it is all a "farce"!

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  48. You have to be careful of your words. Try to see the other Pisay campuses. if you see that they will do what you said above, well, now, you're correct.. magising ka na po sa katotohanan.. Malay niyo po ikaw iyong sinasabi niyo about UP and Pisay..

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  49. AKO TO!!!! ANO BA NAMAN......KAKLASE MO!

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  50. Ako! guess niyo kung sino ako.. :P 

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  51. tol, walang basagan ng trip sa username. chillax. still reading the comments here.

    sa totoo lang, sa pisay campus kung saan ako graduate, natuturuan ang mga estudyante na maging elitista--subconsciously. apat na taon kong narinig sa halos lahat ng mga guro na "elite" ang mga pisayano, para lang ma-pressure ung mga estudyante. lahat nakafocus sa science and technology, pero walang emphasis sa rason kung bakit nag-aaral sa pisay: para maglingkod sa bayan. wala akong galit sa pisay teachers, pero kahit sila elitista magisip. breeding ground--biruin mong sa edad 13 yan ang unang sasabihin sayo. at tatagal yan ng 4 na taon.

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  52. bro, kung alam mo lang kung ano pnagsasasabi mo, may mas malalalim na dahilan ang kahirapan ng Pilipinas. kung akala mo uunlad ang pinas kung ilalagay mo lahat ng pinakamatapat at matalinong tao sa mundo sa gobyerno natin, mali ka. NAPAKARAMING EXTERNAL FORCES ang gumugulo at umiimpluwensya sa bawat isang politiko sa ating gobyerno. hndi dahil corrupt sila kundi mas malakas ang impluwensya at wala silang magawa dahil sa lakas ng mga taong kumokontrol o umiimpluwensya sa ating gobyerno. pumasok ka sa UP ng malaman mo kung ano o sino ang nirerefer ko. study history bro. gsto mo ng clue? Chile, Cuba, Fidel Castro, US, CIA. Kung matalino ka at kaya mo panindigan ang sinasabi mo, magegets mo to

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  53. Wow, ako rin... Paglabas ko ng Pisay, dun ka lang narealize na napaka-sheltered ng buhay natin. Pagpasok ko sa kolehiyo, dun ko naramdaman na ang dami kong hindi alam sa mga nagnyayari sa labas ng campus at sa lipunan.

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  54. yes.. proud ako na Pisay at UP ako.. pero sa aking mga naranasan.. meron nga talagang mga taong ganito mag-isip.. hindi ko itatanggi na pati ako minsan ganyan rin.. MABUHAY ANG ISKO

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  55. tiburshoe_d_makautotDecember 23, 2011 at 12:30 PM

    (~_-) poker face

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  56. It is really Pisay and others.  The best of the best. 

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  57. Pictures/record that you are an "active member of society" or it ain't real.

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  58. So you only take advise from people with usernames that live up to your standards?

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  59. Daming na-butthurt sa artikulong eto.
    Bwahahaha. Nerds.
    You wasn't informed ! 

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  60. I have never met any Pisay or UP student/graduate who talks like that (and I'm a Pisay graduate myself!) Also, there are several people in my Pisay batch who were, or still are, activists. There's even one who disappeared for few years and only came back after his disillusionment with his pamumundok.

    You may have put a disclaimer up there stating your article isn't a generalization, but every paragraph you've written has lumped us all together. Pisay and UP students this, Pisay and UP students that. If your purpose was really not to generalize, then you'd have phrased those statements to only include the people to whom you were referring. Even the title of your post is misleading.

    You say you're a Pisay graduate, but did you not realise in your four years that the purpose of the Philippine Science High School is to train scientists and engineers? Any Pisay graduate knows what courses we were allowed to choose as options when taking university entrance exams. It was any engineering course (except civil eng), plus the different versions of math, physics, bio, and chem. We would lose our DOST scholarships if we chose anything outside that short list. Heck, in high school, even our holidays were dictated by DOST, not DECS. Why do you expect kids who were raised to be in labs or doing fieldwork to suddenly turn around and know a lot about politics? We weren't even allowed to do much outside of math and science. I remember one time when my campus threatened to get rid of the extracurricular clubs and varsity teams just because they weren't happy with the general student population's grades.

    Please don't mistake the Philippine SCIENCE High School for something else. We were trained to lead through math and science, not through politics, but most of us have done our best to help in other fields. If you're going to attack us for not being a bunch of politicians, why not attack the students from the Philippine High School for the Arts too? If you didn't know, that's another government-subsidized school. The only people I've met from there are melodramatic, selfish, promiscuous, malicious, and attention-hungry backstabbing gossipmongers. However, I don't think it would be nice to generalize and lump them together like you've done to us.

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  61. I'm from Pisay and now studying in UPD. Indeed, some Pisay and UP students are arrogant. There are "impurities" in each of these institutions. And I find it funny that these impurities are those who brag most about their schools.
    I like the topic but I don't like how you supported it. Try comparing the quality of education of these two schools to foreign top-notch schools to support your claim.
    By comparing the curricula, one can see that Pisay can match foreign high schools such as Stuyvesant or Thomas Jefferson HS for S and T. UP, on the other hand, has so much to learn to match Harvard or MIT.

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